Hey, everyone is Andrew Claven with this week's interview with Justin Shubo.

Justin Shubo is the president of the National Civic Art Society,

which is a non-profit organization that promotes the classical tradition in public art and

architecture. But what he wants to be is the head of the national endowment of the arts. And you know,

this is something that is very near and dear to my heart. I've been talking for a long time about

the fact that we've been going through a kind of remarkable drought in the arts. Our music is banal,

and movies and streaming shows are uninteresting buildings or not. Buildings have gotten a little

better, actually. Architecture in some cities has gotten a little better, but novels are

uninteresting. Poetry is dead. And all of this, I think, is connected to a sort of cultural, period of cultural decadence.

We've gone through ideas, tapped out, forms of communication, sort of taken over by

a corporate idea, leftist idea that I think is just poison.

So I want to let Justin make his pitch to be the

head of the National Endowments that he are. I'm familiar with his work. I've read some of his

writing. He's exactly the sort of person I think should be in there. And I want to hear more about it.

So Justin, thank you for coming on. It's nice to meet you.

Oh, well, thanks so much for having me. First, I want to start by saying I wouldn't want to be presumptuous about serving in the

administration, but truly it would be an honor to serve.

It's important to understand that the national endowment for the arts is the largest funder

of arts and arts education in the country. It's annual budgets around $210 million.

For a long time, Republicans have called for eliminating the agency altogether. And I think, yes,

some of them remember some of the controversies from the 1980s when the NEA supported some really

outrageous art but the bigger issue is Republicans do not see that the NIA is producing worthy

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