Walk and talk always sounds glamorous until you remember that probably Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings did it.

And then you think, no, it's not that glamorous, is it?

No, you see, I don't think they did walk and talk.

They would have just sat down.

They would both have put their feet up on a desk, wouldn't they?

All manly.

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