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Your average city council race, state rep race, mayoral, whatever it is, you know, 10 to 15% or even worse.

And who are they? They're the far left, they're the far right, or they are special interests to know how to move money and votes and will turn out elections.

And as a result, that chooses not only who wins office,

but what they could do once they're in office.

And once you're in office, you don't want to go back.

You want to get reelected.

You solve for the problem of how do I win my next primary?

That means keep the base happy, keep those special interests happy.

And the result is nothing can get that.

Thank you. happy and the result is nothing can get down. It is my pleasure to welcome back to the podcast,

philanthropist, venture capitalist, political innovator,

and the author of the phenomenal new book,

Vote with your phone, why mobile voting is our final shot at saving democracy, something

that's on our minds right now. Bradley Tusk, welcome back, Bradley. Thanks for having me. Thanks for

joining us. So we certainly need to unpack a little bit about what happened election night. And

you and I've been in touch. We both kind of feared or slash expected because people ask us all

the time like, hey, what's going to happen? And you and I are both like, you know, it seems like

Trump's going to win. And then maybe there was like a glimmer of hope slash doubt down the stretch. I certainly talked myself into the fact that, you know, maybe things would win at another direction. And then Trump ended up with a resounding win. And you think that it was a structural problem. Yeah. I mean, I think that ultimately the underlying problem is not that the Democrats

had the wrong candidate.

I think Kamala was a perfectly solid candidate and they ran a pretty good campaign.

You know, yes, you can always debate any one or two strategic decisions, but they lost

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