Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary this week, I spoke with Thomas Frank.

Thomas Frank is a political analyst, historian and journalist, he is author of People.

No, a brief history of anti-populism.

In this book he examines the origin of the term populism in the United States

and discusses historical examples of populism, his adherence and detractors.

Here are some comments on the Nick Corbischly episode, Kiwi Jeff.

Nice to see more people realise where we're headed.

I'm an old punk from the 80s, what's he doing at Nick Corbischly?

Yeah, he's only like digitised ideas and all that.

Well Kiwi Jeff's an old punk from the 80s and I learned, says Kiwi Jeff,

I learned back then not to talk about this stuff, no, I wanted to know.

Now they are, now they are learning about things that have been planned for way longer than you

think fish and chips, isn't it say fish and chips? Fish and chips is how you get into a new

thing where you'll be at the next line.

Well no, just say fish and chips because that's how fish and chips, that's how they talk.

If you want to know the difference between New Zealand people talking and Australian people talking

fish and chips, that's all. I can tell.

You can tell straight away. Yeah, because they have smaller bells in New Zealanders.

What, no, Australia. Yeah, that's true. Sorry for being reductive about your culture.

Luke Erickson, this is why in the last two years I took up woodworking and gardening

and spending much time outdoors around a fire, being less dependent on anything.

Wise, Luke, very wise, very wise. Have you done that?

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