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The Ezra Klein Show

Time Is Way Weirder Than You Think

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 13 December 2022

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

It’s not an exaggeration to say that “clock time” runs our lives. From the moment our alarms go off in the morning, the clock reigns supreme: our meetings, our appointments, even our social plans are often timed down to the minute. We even measure the quality of our lives with reference to time, often lamenting that time seems to “fly by” when we’re having fun and “drags on” when we’re bored or stagnant. We rarely stop to think about time, but that’s precisely because there are few forces more omnipresent in our lives. “You are the best time machine that has ever been built,” Dean Buonomano writes in his book “Your Brain Is a Time Machine: The Neuroscience and Physics of Time.” Buonomano is a professor of neurobiology and psychology at U.C.L.A. who studies the relationship between time and the human brain. His book tackles the most profound questions about time that affect all of our lives: Why do we feel it so differently at different points in our lives? What do we miss if we live so rigidly bound to the demands of our clocks and appointments? Why during strange periods like pandemic lockdowns do we feel “lost in time”? And what if — as some physicists believe — the future may already exist, with grave implications for our ability to act meaningfully in the present? We discuss what time would be in an empty universe without humans, why humans have not evolved to understand time the way we understand space, how our ability to predict the future differs from animals’, why time during the Covid lockdowns felt so bizarre, why scientists think time “flies” when we’re having fun but slows down when people experience near-death accidents, what humans lost when we invented very precise clocks, why some physicists believe the future is already determined for us and what that would mean for our ethical behavior, why we’re so bad at saving money, what steps we could take to feel as if we’re living longer in time, why it’s so hard — but ultimately possible — to live in the present moment and more. Mentioned:Don’t Sleep, There Are Snakes by Daniel L. Everett Book Recommendations: Noise by Daniel Kahneman, Olivier Sibony and Cass R. Sunstein When We Cease to Understand the World by Benjamin Labatut The Age of A.I. by Henry A. Kissinger, Eric Schmidt and Daniel Huttenlocher Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]. (And if you’re reaching out to recommend a guest, please write “Guest Suggestion” in the subject line.) You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Rogé Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair. Original music by Isaac Jones. Mixing by Jeff Geld and Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta.

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein, this is the Ezra Conchell.

0:23.0

There is this quote, I think it's from the Elder Grass Tyson, and I think about it a lot,

0:27.2

as quote, the universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.

0:31.7

And something I love about that is it also implies, and I think basically everything we know

0:37.3

about physics, particularly quantum physics, gets here, that what we experience is probably

0:43.0

quite far from what the universe really is.

0:46.6

And nowhere is that true in time.

0:48.2

I mean, nothing is more fundamental to our experience in time.

0:50.9

We live in time.

0:52.2

We are marked by time.

0:53.5

We feel the seconds passing when we're bored.

0:55.8

We say the time flies when we're on vacation or in the midst of a great conversation.

1:00.3

The one thing we do not have more of is time.

1:02.8

Our entire lives are bounded by time.

1:06.8

And you'd think from there that what time is it be pretty clear?

1:10.2

But talk to scientists, study time, and they are fundamentally confused about it.

1:14.8

What time actually is, particularly outside the human brain, to say nothing of how weird

1:20.0

the human brain is in the ways it measures time, is just fascinating.

1:25.1

When you get into these really, really weird questions, like a lot of the math suggests

1:28.8

that maybe time is already there.

1:31.3

Maybe the future is exactly as real as a present.

1:33.8

Does that mean it's predetermined?

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