So the border is a bit like an iceberg.

Lots of people think they know everything about the border

because they got on a plane once and had to show their passport to somebody.

But there's a huge amount going on that people don't see.

That I would know about, obviously, in others working in the home office now.

Of course, policy and government is that you can't talk about this stuff.

If you are working in the home office or you're working in the border force, all the police really, you can't

come and have this sort of chat with you. The government will release the information it wants to

release. The journalists will scrutinize that and want to dig beneath it and find out for one

reason or another world, actually, is that real or is that true? So I do detect a huge amount of political spin in the area of immigration.

I think so that's really quite important that you get back to facts.

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