Top 5 Mormon Problems Exposed by Jerald and Sandra Tanner (w/ @Nemothemormon) | Ep. 2005
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.6 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 27 March 2025
⏱️ 148 minutes
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Summary
Today we are re-introducing Sandra Tanner to a new generation of Mormons, exMormons, and never-Mormons. Both Sandra and her husband Jerald have strong Mormon backgrounds. When he was only eighteen, Jerald began to have doubts about his faith. When they began dating, Sandra Tanner also began to doubt. Throughout the 60s, 70s and 80s Jerald and Sandra Tanner were among the first to begin publishing on the problems with Mormon history and its truth claims. They opened a bookstore called the Utah Lighthouse Ministry and began publishing their research. Today we are going to talk about their discoveries on topics such as changes to the Book of Mormon, the problems with the Book of Abraham translation, the Kinderhook plates, how the Church covered up problematic parts of its history, and how they impacted hundreds of people in and out of the Mormon church. You won’t want to miss this episode!
00:04:00 Topics we are going to cover today
00:05:24 Changes to the text of the Book of Mormon
00:25:40 The usage of the seer stone and an “exact” translation
00:32:00 The Book of Mormon as a revelation rather than a translation
00:33:45 Problems with the Book of Abraham translation
00:49:12 The Church came up with the Catalyst Theory
00:54:00 The Kinderhook Plates issues
01:14:10 Other “Cover-ups” that the church has done
01:28:00 Nephi vs. Moroni
01:31:55 Changes to D&C
01:38:10 Discussion of Michelle Stone’s claims & Sandra’s response
01:54:55 “We felt the obligation to set the record straight”
01:59:00 How does Sandra respond to critics that say she should continue to deconstruct Christianity
02:25:20 Conclusion
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| 0:00.0 | We went through the whole Book of Mormon because who knew? |
| 0:05.0 | Maybe there was some big change in there that we didn't know about. |
| 0:08.0 | What was the prevailing narrative at that time? |
| 0:10.0 | The Book of Mormon, unlike the Bible, came to us word for word from God. |
| 0:17.0 | Well, then that becomes a problem when you find out they've made about 4,000 changes. |
| 0:21.6 | Unlike the Bible was the claim, ours has never been tampered with. |
| 0:26.6 | And then you start finding out, oh, well, yeah, we tampered with it a little, but, you know, that doesn't really count. |
| 0:32.6 | This isn't something that one could say, oh, well, the church just found it out, or they just found it in the back archives or something. |
| 0:39.3 | No, they've always had Joseph Smith's Sears Stone. |
| 0:43.3 | The church is trying to make it more and more nebulous. |
| 0:45.3 | Nowadays, they're sort of, their backs are against the wall, and they're just saying, |
| 0:49.3 | it was translated by the gift and power of God, and we have no idea how it actually happened. |
| 0:53.3 | The major Egyptologists were asked about the gift and power of God, and we have no idea how it actually happened. The major Egyptologists were asked about the facsimiles, the photos in the Pearl of Great Prize. |
| 1:02.0 | They are on record at the time saying none of these illustrations have anything to do with what Joseph's talking about. |
| 1:09.0 | This is all just coming out revelatory, |
| 1:12.2 | and that sounds very close to Joseph Smith being an inventor of the text. |
| 1:16.7 | When we start realizing the church has been tampering with all the documents, |
| 1:21.4 | this apostle had seen a, quote, strange account of the first vision. |
| 1:26.3 | You read it, and it does not make the claim that he sees two individuals. |
| 1:36.1 | Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon stories podcast. |
| 1:39.1 | I'm your host, John DeLynn. |
| 1:40.2 | It's March 6th, 2025. |
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