People have demonized you falsely. It's not just the facts that are inconsistent, but the person that they were hunting isn't you, right?

They were not the person who was gaming the system using transness to get ahead.

And I haven't found that person in the military either, because I am very sensitive to someone that might, right?

Like, as a trans person in the military, I don't want someone to make me look bad.

Hey, folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast Inside Rail.

I don't think you're going to see this episode coming.

I have the pleasure and honor of sitting

this afternoon with Joe Ellis. Who might Joe Ellis be? Well, Joe Ellis is Chief Warrant Officer 2 in the Virginia

Army National Guard. She is a helicopter pilot, a former helicopter mechanic. We will get into all of those

details. But she became rather well known all of a sudden, through no fault of her own,

when she was falsely portrayed as one of the three pilots on the Black Hawk that hit

the civilian airliner in Washington, D.C. So Joe Ellis, welcome to Dark Horse.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Yeah, I'm excited to have you here too. Let me just set the stage here a little bit.

Please. My audience knows pretty well where I've been, what sorts of circles I travel in, politically what my evolution has been.

They know that I have been both a staunch critic of what I would call trans activists

who are trying to gain access in most cases to women's spaces,

but that I have also been concerned

that there are people out there

who are genuinely suffering from gender dysphoria,

do not have a straightforward way to address it that does not

involve something that will put them politically at odds with others and that we need to protect

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