This is the Cato Daily podcast for Tuesday, April 1st, 2025.

I'm Caleb Brown.

You have a good grip on reality.

You understand how the world ought to work.

You surround yourselves with like-minded, sane individuals.

And yet there are these other folks who feel the same way about themselves.

And yet they seem to disagree with you on nearly everything. They form groups to discuss their

nonsense ideas. They nod in approval at untenable, ill-considered thoughts. And their inability

to grasp your supreme intelligence is sadly par for the course.

Andrew Heaton is author of the new book, Tribalism is Dumb.

We discussed the ways in which these typical group dynamics give us dysfunction,

and why I, your humble host, should be more widely considered,

as nothing less than an Oracle of sanity in today's troubled world.

Now, Andrew, you've known me for many years now.

That's true.

And so you know that I have essentially a metaphysically perfect grasp of both reality and how the world works and the mechanics of it.

You not quite as strong, but very strong.

I would describe you as frighteningly sane.

Yeah.

And so I try to surround myself with people who are also sane.

Uh-huh.

And when they reinforce the things that I espouse, when they agree and nod, when I am talking, expounding, holding forth at length.

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