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Trotsky on Fascism (and Lessons for us Today)

Revolutionary Left Radio

Breht O'Shea

Communism, Politics, Liberalism, Society & Culture, Philosophy, News, History, Leftwing, Socialism, Marxism

4.83.4K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2025

⏱️ 116 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Alyson and Breht welcome Brendan back on the show for the first time in a few years. Together, we dive deep into Leon Trotsky’s Fascism: What It Is and How to Fight It, a sharp and urgent intervention written in the shadow of the Nazi rise to power. We unpack Trotsky’s class analysis of fascism, the role of the petite bourgeoisie, his searing critiques of both sectarian isolationism and liberal class collaboration, and his insistence on the United Front as the only viable revolutionary response. Alongside historical context, we explore in depth whether Trotsky’s framework still applies to today’s far-right movements, neoliberal authoritarianism, Trump's Oligarchic second term, and a decaying capitalist order teetering on the edge. What does fascism look like in 2025—and what must we do to resist it?

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0:00.0

Hello everybody and welcome back to Red Menace slash Rev Left Radio.

0:20.0

On today's episode, we are finally going to tackle a text by Leon Trotsky.

0:25.8

It's something that people have asked for for a while.

0:28.5

I don't think we've ever gotten around to doing one.

0:31.1

And we figured his famous text, fascism, what it is and how to fight it would be a great entry point into Trotsky's work,

0:39.9

and I think a very timely topic for us to wrestle with. So it's not just Allison and I today.

0:45.8

It's also previous guest of the show, been on several, several times, but has not been on for

0:50.5

quite a while, our friend and comrade Brendan. Brendan, would you like to introduce yourself a little bit?

0:54.9

Hi, I'm Brendan.

0:57.4

Yeah, I think I've been on, I don't know, probably close to a dozen episodes, but I don't

1:04.1

think I've been on since, funnily enough, the capital insurrection, which we kind of

1:09.9

talked about neo-fascism and how we got there then.

1:13.4

I think I was on an episode about Gramsci at one point.

1:16.5

I mean, an episode about ideology that were both probably pretty relevant to the conversation at hand as well.

1:24.2

Yeah.

1:25.0

Brendan goes back to the very early days of Refleft, but it's a crime that it's been so long

1:29.2

since you've been back on. So we're glad to rectify that today. Absolutely. Happy to have you. So we're

1:34.9

going to talk about Trotsky's take on fascism. We're going to first dive into the text itself,

1:39.6

kind of help people understand it. I assume most listeners haven't read it or read it recently. It's actually

1:44.5

pretty short and it's totally free online. I think it's like 50 pages you can find it.

1:49.7

You know, free versions of it online. But we're going to explain it so you don't have to do the

1:53.4

reading, talk about the main points and the main lines of argument and analysis. And then we're

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