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week. In over 200 episodes of true spies, we've heard from some amazing people.

And we wanted to hear more.

So did our subscribers.

So with that in mind, you're about to embark on our first ever

True Spies spies debrief.

Here on the debrief, we catch up with some of our favorite guests from the true spies archive

for a deeper look at the themes, events and insights that fascinate them.

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Morgan child's one of the producers of True Spies, speaks with Douglas London.

You might remember Douglas from the True Spies episode, Allied with Al-Qaeda,

which premiered back in November of 2021.

As a CIA Operations Officer working in an undisclosed location in the Middle East, in the

year 2000, Doug turned a key facilitator for Al-Qaeda

into a trusted asset for the American Intelligence Agency.

And over the course of their time together,

the two men formed an unlikely bond.

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