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Welcome back to our new assignment, True Spies De Brief.

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com in episode four of true spies jackbasky told the tale of how he spent 10 years as a KGB agent

working in the United States. It's now been over 35 years since Jack quit his job as a

spy and he's since tried on many more careers and

identities. In this debrief, True Spies producer Morgan Childs caught up with Jack

to hear about finding an identity as a spy and about Jack's life after espionage.

We'll also hear about his new path as a teacher of what he calls applied spyikology.

It's great, Jack, to have you here, thank you. I'm very excited to sit down and talk to you and kind of get up to

speed with what you've been up to since the last time true spies

listeners heard from you but before we kind of get to that I want to ask you the

last time we spoke you told me something that I wasn't aware of

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