Welcome to Zero. I am Akshadrati. This week, the election everyone's talking about.

I didn't become a journalist to try to predict what political leaders will do next.

But when the climate stakes are as high as they are for the U.S. presidential election in November,

we have to understand what the world could look like depending on which way the voters swing.

So far, this has been a vibes election.

Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are offering very different vibes on climate policy.

But beyond the vibes, there are actual policies that they do have in mind.

And those policies would lead to very different worlds.

To better understand what kind of world we might be living in come January,

it's worth grappling with the impacts of those policies.

And there's no one better that I could discuss this than with my colleague, Jen DeLui.

She's Bloomberg's Energy and Environment Policy Reporter based in D.C.

And she's always helped me make sense of the ins and outs and complexities of American politics. Jen, welcome to the show.

Thanks, actually. I'm glad to be here.

This presidential race did change dramatically two months ago when Joe Biden announced that he

wasn't running for a second term, and then Kamala Harris became the Democratic nominee.

It's a new race. Before that, Trump seemed to be in lead, and he did talk about what he wanted

to do with climate policy. He wanted to overturn a lot of the measures in the Inflation Reduction

Act that President Biden passed in 2022. So if Trump is elected, what do you think he could do

to undo the IRA?

Quite a bit, actually. He would need to work with Congress to achieve a real wholesale repealing

of the IRA. And frankly, that would require support from Republicans and Democrats that

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