Hey folks, welcome to a joint presentation of the Dark Horse Podcast and The Digger.

I am sitting today with Phil Harper, and that is a near impossibility except for the fact that I am in the UK and I was here to do a couple of events with the World Council for Health, Tess Lorry's organization.

One of them was last night. And Phil Phil you were present at that event and we thought it would be a good idea to sit down and compare note.

You and I of course met at the Better Way conference in this very venue where we are sitting now.

When would that have been two years ago?

Yeah, two years ago in this exact city where it all started to feel like a real thing

for the first time,

not something that was happening on computer screens.

People came out and was like, well, there's more of us

than we thought.

That's quite right, actually.

It was the first time for me meeting a lot of people

that I had been interacting with and had

been partnering with in fact over COVID-dicidancy so it was a powerful moment.

Anyway it's interesting to be two years on from that

and to see where we are.

How should we start here?

Well, I wanted to talk with you, so I'm super glad that we've been able to do that.

Your talk last night I think is a good place as any to kick start.

The name of the talk was something like Dark Age or Enlightenment, the hyper novelty crisis, and you posed this question,

which was interesting to me because it split the room at the beginning, I would say around

about down the middle, which was surprising.

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