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I think I left shortly before they put radio for Europe on the foreign agent list,

but it might have been around the same time.

But like even for the two years preceding that, like once I kind of realized what was happening,

once I started like being tuned into what was happening, it was like,

you could see they had less official ways of doing it. last what was happening. Once I started being tuned into what was happening, it was like,

you could see they had less official ways of doing this, like, denying X radio outlet of frequency or like cutting the licensing to this like dissident Russian channel, you know, all the directors

of movies that were at all edgy had already had to move to, like, Estonia.

We say, kind of see how this was shaping up, but...

When you say, like, less official, you mean that it was just kind of...

There were fewer justifications.

It was just kind of going.

Like, the government clearly wanting to kill these media outlets and just not having

quite the like the political comfort to come out and say we want to kill these media outlets

because they are opposed to us, the government, you know?

And eventually they did get to the point where, like,

we, yeah, we straight up, we are just calling these people enemies of the state.

I see.

Yeah, you get on that, um,

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