Hey, everybody. It's my great privilege to have one of my favorite guests on the show today,

Whitney Webb who's been a professional writer, researcher and journalist since 2016. I would say

she's one of the last living journalists we still have. She's written first every website.

It's from 2017 to 2020. She was a staff writer and senior investigator for Mint Press News.

She currently writes the little American backbone and host an independent podcast called

Unlimited Hangout. You can support her work directly. I wanted to ask you to come on the show

because you wrote a really, I think, surprising article from many people about the Ukraine and about

the CIA involvement in the Ukraine and kind of supporting and nurturing the insurgency there.

It's a very, very disturbing article to anybody who kind of understands our recent history.

And I know that you do not represent yourself as an expert on the Ukraine.

Like your observations about the intelligence agencies and their role in crafting the land

escapes of conflict are always very, very interesting. And I think one thing that's disturbing

about the Ukraine conflict is that we've seen to have adopted a single narrative that is being

broadcast ubiquitously on Fox News CNN. And there's no room for dissent. There's no room to ask

questions. There's no gray area. And I think that's a really kind of troubling thing for democracy.

But on a new outline, you are taken on the Ukraine. So the art listeners can at least have the advantage

of hearing a different point of view. Sure. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me back

on your program. As you mentioned, I don't present myself as an expert on Ukraine. I don't speak

Ukrainian or Russian. I've never been to this part of the world. My reason for writing the article

that I did write is because I have written a lot about the Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA,

of the United States and about intelligence operations, both historical and present.

And there seem to be indications coming from former CIA officials from very well-connected

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