Ah, she's brilliant. Miss, I finally got plans out the group chat. We get it. Four votes for a festival,

three for a city break. It's hard to adhere to everyone's needs. There's Betty with her oversized

tent. Sarah and her six foot eight boyfriend.

All right.

Roger Junior and his dog, Roger Senior.

And don't get us started on Mel.

But, like a marriage counselor, she's the one keeping things together.

All aboard Miss I finally got plans out the group chat. Keep everyone's plans alive when you

travel with us. P, and O'Ferees, there is another way. Oh, And boom we're on. And boom we're on. And today's guess we've got Billy Jensen. How are you both?

I'm doing good. How are you doing? Really good, thanks. Come a way all over from America.

Yeah. Good to see you. Very fascinating story from journalists to then catching killers,

serial killers. The worst of the worst. And when you kind of go down that route

America does seem to have the biggest sort of killers here it's more gang-laid

maybe one person dead too we've had a few serial killers

America just seems to have proper mad men.

We've got, you've have, you have mad men too.

Yeah.

Obviously, you know, the Moors murders is a perfect example of that, then you've got in America you know we've got

Something like 18,000 murders every year and yeah, we're a bigger country, but you know I'm not gonna lie it's the guns you know and the the it's guns it's drugs

it's gangs it's a transient sort of population that moves around a lot so you've got you've got this population that you know we used to solve in

1960 it was 90% solve rate, what we call a clearance rate. So if you were

murdered 90% chance was going to be solved. Right now it's hovering around 53%.

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