Hey friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology in the Ra. Our Sexuality and Gender Conference is right around the corner, September 17th, 18th in Austin, Texas at Life Family Church. You could sign up for the conference at center for faith.com.

Also right around the corner from that corner is our two day

exiles of Babylon conference in Denver, Colorado,

October 4th to 5th.

You could register for that conference at theology in the rod.com.

My guest today is Phil Ili who is the author of auto heterosexual attracted to being the other sex a book that explains a science of

internalized heterosexuality so that auto gynecophilic males and autofilic females can better understand themselves

and be more informed when contemplating gender transition. This is planned to be part of a two-part

podcast series on the concept of auto guideophilia.

Phil, my first guest today, is not a Christian. We're not having a conversation

surrounding the morality of autogonophilia. We are first trying to understand

the concept. Phil is autogatophilic. This is his personal experience and he's very well studied on the topic.

His book is very long, very well researched around a very controversial issue.

I'm planning to have another podcast with a Christian who also experiences

auto gyrophilia or AGP and in that conversation we will look at it through a

Christian lens. So I probably use a lot of terms that maybe you're you're not familiar with so just a very

very brief introduction to autophilia and the term was coined by

psychologist Ray Blanchard in first in 1989 and then through a series of articles he

teased out this concept.

The term autogonophilia simply means the love of oneself as a woman and

Blanchard expands on this definition and says the auto gynaophilia is a

male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female that comes

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