UNEMPLOYMENT RAMPANT FOR THE FACTORY FLOOR AND THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE: 2/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
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🗓️ 26 August 2024
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https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.
Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bouchter. |
| 0:03.0 | I'm John Bouchter show represented by CBS News Radio and continuing my conversation with the author Josh Roggan of the Washington Post, his new book Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, She, and the Battle for the 21st Century. |
| 0:24.6 | This is a careful explication of the evolving Trump administration policy towards China. |
| 0:31.6 | It is also an examination of China's understanding or lack of |
| 0:36.0 | of how the US works over the course of our two and a half centuries. We're a very |
| 0:40.5 | young nation compared to the Middle Kingdom, very young. |
| 0:44.8 | And our explanations of ourselves do not necessarily make sense or make clear sense to the Chinese. The Chinese begin the Trump administration by |
| 0:55.4 | naming the thing itself. Our territorial integrity, our sovereignty must not be |
| 1:01.0 | questioned. And of course that's what the Trump people did for four |
| 1:04.7 | years and the US will continue. However we go to Maralago, a wonderful scene that |
| 1:10.1 | will someday be in an opera. |
| 1:13.1 | Donald Trump is serving his chocolate cake |
| 1:15.6 | to She-Gin-Ping in a celebratory mood, |
| 1:18.5 | and he delivers the message that he's just |
| 1:20.6 | ordered cruise missiles fired on Syria. |
| 1:23.6 | At least that's the legend. |
| 1:24.8 | I'll go with it because the question here is, |
| 1:27.2 | what are the forces within the Trump administration, |
| 1:29.8 | that early date that are pulling and pushing the development of the China policy. |
| 1:35.7 | We need personalities here. |
| 1:37.2 | Now Josh, you made clear that it's not clear that everybody's in one camp or another, |
| 1:42.0 | they move back and forth but I'm going |
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