I'm John Bachelor.

I'm John Bachelor show with Josh Rogan of the Washington Post, the global opinions

columnist, most importantly, right now the author of the new book Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, She,

and the Battle for the 21st Century.

This is the story of 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20

that March establishes what we know and don't know

about the pandemic, about the threat to national

security here and with our allies and the threat to planet Earth right now, what we know and

what we don't know. There are ironies are plenty here because Josh is

telling the story of the Trump policy towards China with China that was looking to

in some way resolve itself in January of 2020, the Phase 1 trade deal.

History is not neat and it can be one thing after another.

On the 15th, that phase one deal with handshakes all around is sealed in Washington.

And the Chinese negotiators get on the plane to go home to Beijing.

The day before, however, at the National Security Council meeting at the,

it was held at the Policy Coordination

Committee level that is the principles were not there the

coordinators were there.

There was a report of a strange new flu from China and one of the people attending that meeting

is Matthew Potendre, we've met him before.

What did they know on January 14th about this flu,

Josh, because I mentioned that I had spoken of that flu on January 6th to my colleague Gordon Chang when we did a show that night.

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