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Rose Dahl believed her therapist Chris Batham was an ethical man.

Then he told her of his plan to have Cliff Brodsky murdered.

Rose couldn't get that conversation out of her head.

Was he serious?

Could it have been a dark joke?

She decided to confront him.

I was like, hey man, like, do you remember that conversation that we had about Brodsky you know and and he's like yeah and it was like maybe

maybe that murder talk like maybe that's you know maybe we shouldn't do that and I'm

keeping it light and kind of did see and cute like I'm like I don't know what I'm just

like ha ha ha ha because I'm fucking I don't know how do you have this conversation with your therapist slash boss I don't know what I expected but I did not expect his reaction his reaction was just a boom and he was like pointing at me and he was starting he was like do not put your

damage shame bullshit on to me and

Have you ever seen that side of him before?

Had you ever seen that anger?

No, I had never seen him actually mad ever.

And it was just as shocking. His anger at me

was almost more shocking than the fact in the moment that he was serious about

having this guy murdered. Chris said he'd helped so many people turn their lives

around that having one person murdered wasn't that big of a deal.

He was like, my scale of like doing good is so heavy that having Cliff Brodsky murdered is not going to tip it.

Rose could no longer quiet her suspicions.

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