The A single theme is too narrow for great minds and daring hearts.

Get ready to enter the Lion Heart with your host Lauren stunning.

Victor Chan, my dear friend, what a treat is to be recording this at your studio.

That's sort of gentleman you are.

Welcome.

It's always a pleasure, Lawrence. So Victor, when someone says, who is Victor Cham, how would you answer that?

These days, I would say husband first, right?

Is there value in the order you list things?

It's so hard because I used to identify with what I do, right? Which is like, what do you do?

And but if you ask, who are you, it's a lot more open.

Exactly, because normally when you do podcasts, especially if you're a guest, someone says,

they want it, they want to either introduce you or they want you to introduce yourself.

Tell me a bit about what you do.

And so many people just say, you know, I do this, I do that, they talk about titles.

Yeah. But what about the actual character? I'm someone that's fascinated by curiosity. I like that. I'm someone that's that's motivated to keep learning. I'm someone

that dreams about being a great father one day because I'm I'm newly married you know.

Well I think the word that comes to mind is like to describe that is essence like what is your essence exactly I've

never probably said this like out loud so it's like a train of thought right now

but definitely someone who strives to improve on a daily basis and that's that in it of itself is a challenge.

So improvement trying to just do good do good and that can be within small acts of service in the people that you meet or for yourself,

you know, it's important to be kind to yourself.

And then overall, living up your potential. That is my, if someone says what's your life goal, that's exactly what I would say.

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