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This Scotland Outdoors podcast with Mark Stephen and Helen Needham from BBC Radio Scotland.

This first part of our standing on is the corner of the Glenmullen Road

and it starts to the Old Grove Road, where many of the travelling people used to come.

And right here at the beginning, there's a beautiful old church.

On our right-hand side, there's a really imposing church. One of those things, it looks like a sort of spaceship pointing up to God, built of grey granite.

It almost looks like the guardian of the road.

We're in rural Aberdeenshire, a wee village called L'Enfahan. And the reason we're here, well, that takes a bit of explaining.

I've become a bit archive obsessed recently, actually.

And one piece of archive that we found was a recording that a former colleague Doreen

Wood did with Stanley Robertson. Stanley Robertson was from the travelling people and they came

walking along this road. I think it must have been about 1988 because he had a book called Exodus to

Afford which he published in that year and I think that's why he was talking to Doreen.

And it's a wonderful, wonderful bit of archive about place, about history, about tradition,

about storytelling. So we thought we'd come and walk in his footsteps.

It's a spiritual place.

It made me feel spiritual inside.

And that day when I was walking up

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