We've Got It On Tape (w/ Jonathan Martin & Alex Burns)
Skullduggery
Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman, Victoria Bassetti
4 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 13 May 2022
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
Recent tapes of Senator Lindsay Graham talking to New York Times reporter Jonathan Martin on the afternoon of Jan. 6th, 2021 have now been released. It reaffirms what many Republicans were thinking that day about the riot that Donald Trump had just unleashed upon the US Capitol. And expressed hope that the new Democratic President, Joe Biden, could lower the temperature and bring the country together. But as Martin and his Times colleague Alex Burns document in their new book, This Too Shall Pass, that sentiment amongst most GOP lawmakers, Graham prominent among them, didn't last long. And Graham's prognosis that the trauma of Jan. 6th would lead to great national unity couldn't have been more wrong. The United States according to Martin and Burns is facing a political emergency with two parties, who authors write, are not merely advisories but enemies in a domestic cold war that had started to run hot. How hot can it get? And is there any way at this point to cool things down? Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns join to discuss.
GUESTS:
- Jonathan Martin (@alexburnsNYT), New York Times Reporter and author
- Alex Burns (@jmartNYT), New York Times Reporter and author
HOSTS:
- Michael Isikoff (@Isikoff), Chief Investigative Correspondent, Yahoo News
- Daniel Klaidman (@dklaidman), Editor in Chief, Yahoo News
- Victoria Bassetti (@VBass), fellow, Brennan Center for Justice (contributing co-host)
RESOURCES:
- You can pick up Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns' new book This Too Shall Pass - Here.
- The Lindsay Graham Jan. 6th tapes - Here.
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| 0:00.0 | Well, actually come out of this thing. |
| 0:04.0 | Moments like this recent take a while. |
| 0:08.0 | People come down. |
| 0:10.0 | People who I don't want to be associated with that. |
| 0:13.0 | This is a group, an inner group. |
| 0:16.0 | What this does is there will be a rallying effect for a while. |
| 0:20.0 | The country says we're better than this. |
| 0:23.0 | And Biden will. |
| 0:25.0 | It will be a maybe the best person to have. |
| 0:30.0 | I mean, how bad can you get a Joe Biden? |
| 0:35.0 | That was Senator Lindsey Graham talking to New York Times reporter Jonathan Martin on the afternoon of January 6, 2021. |
| 0:42.0 | Reaffirming what many Republicans were thinking that day about the riot that Donald Trump had just unleashed upon the US Capitol. |
| 0:50.0 | And expressing hope that the new Democratic president Joe Biden could lower the temperature and bring the country together. |
| 0:57.0 | But as Martin and his Times colleague Alex Burns document in their new book, This Two Shall Pass, |
| 1:03.0 | that sentiment among most GOP lawmakers, Graham prominent among them, didn't last long. |
| 1:09.0 | And Graham's prognosis that the trauma of January 6 would lead to greater national unity couldn't have been more wrong. |
| 1:16.0 | The United States, according to Martin and Burns, is facing a political emergency with two parties, who the authors write, |
| 1:24.0 | are not merely adversaries, but enemies in a domestic cold war that it started to run hot. |
| 1:31.0 | How hot can it get? |
| 1:33.0 | And is there any way at this point to cool things down? |
| 1:36.0 | We'll ask Martin and Burns on this episode of Skull Duggery. |
| 1:41.0 | I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. |
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