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🗓️ 27 March 2025
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0:00.0 | I'm Tom Billu and this is Impact Theory. This is part two of my eye-opening conversation with David Pac-Man. |
0:06.4 | And if you're just tuning in, welcome because here in part two, we are going to the next level. |
0:13.2 | David and I try to see if we can come eye to eye on what exactly is deranging politics right now between the left and the right. |
0:21.3 | Spoiler alert, we do not get on the same page, but I think that this discussion is going to |
0:25.6 | help a lot of people come to their own conclusions about what is really going on in a world |
0:31.4 | where we cannot agree on some of the basic facts. Let's jump right back in. |
0:35.9 | In the book, you make a, there's a chapter called |
0:39.0 | Why Choose the Left? And I would say you're making a moral case for choosing the left. |
0:45.9 | What do you see, if you agree with that assessment, what do you see as a moral case for the |
0:51.0 | left? I don't agree with that. I think really I'm making an empirical |
0:54.6 | and economic case, really. And it's a lot of the stuff we've already talked about, much of which |
0:59.6 | we disagree with. I mean, I think the proof here is the tension you describe as important, |
1:07.0 | I agree is important. And I advocate not for the rubber band coming off and flying all the way to the left. I advocate for something that is modestly to the left to use that shorthand of where we are right now. And in the book, I point to examples around the world, some of which we've talked about, it's, |
1:33.0 | it's really primarily, you know, the problem with making the moral case, which I think, |
1:37.6 | you know, you could make, I guess, but the problem with the moral case is morality can differ a lot more than I think economic metrics can differ. And so my effort in the book, and maybe I failed to do it if it came |
1:45.4 | off as only a moral case, is that when we look at the five or six examples I cite, that there's |
1:50.8 | a really good empirical and economic case for what I'm advocating for. It doesn't crush innovation. |
1:56.6 | It doesn't stifle liberty or freedom. And I try to defend that in the book. I may fail to do it, |
2:02.1 | but that's that's the goal for me. The reason that people have such a hard time convincing people |
2:07.3 | is you're going up against somebody's frame of reference. That frame of reference is going to be |
2:11.9 | built around their biology, their beliefs, and their values. And it also has to describe the world as they see it. And so if you're |
2:19.4 | giving them a piece that they look at and they're like, that doesn't match what I believe to be |
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