Cop 28 is underway in Dubai at the moment.

It's being presided over by the president of the National Oil Company, Adnock.

A lot of us has been made of that. I've written about it quite a bit. We're not bringing

you an episode on COP today, although you can read lots of things that I've been writing

about it all over the place.

We are bringing you an episode of Vox's unexplainable.

I went on there recently to talk through how the fossil fuel industry weaponized a common component of scientific research.

Uncertainty. Uncertainty is baked into how science works.

And that's a good thing.

We're supposed to always be questioning what we think we know,

to always be trying to understand things better

with more detail. But in the case of climate science

fossil fuel companies and their PR reps took that basic fact of scientific research

and turned it into a flaw. In this episode I walked

host Noam Hasn't felt through the history of that. How it happened and how we're still dealing with it today, which is a very

very big component of what we're seeing at COP28, especially as you're seeing

all these stories come out about Al-Jabber talking around the science of 1.5, the science

of how these targets are set, all of those kinds of things.

It's an important time to understand how the fossil field industry has historically talked about science and especially about what science tells us we should or shouldn't do or how urgent or not the problem of climate

change is. I hope you enjoy it. I really enjoyed doing the episode. Here it is.

It's unexplainable. I'm know I'm Hasenfeld and we talk a lot about uncertainty on this show. We celebrate it actually because when scientists admit they don't know things

That's good that's science working the way it's supposed to and it can feel like embracing uncertainty is just a fundamentally good thing.

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