Welcome to ‘Post-Journalism’: How Polarization Became the Business Model–Martin Gurri

American Thought Leaders

Jan Jekielek

Government, News, Politics

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🗓️ 9 October 2024

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

“Post-journalism essentially is the idea that journalism commodifies polarization,” says former CIA media analyst Martin Gurri.

Instead of seeking objectivity and broad appeal to the general public, media seek to become a refuge for a subset of the population: “a temple of ideology” for people who share the same worldview, Gurri argues.

“If you take the Russia story where [Trump] was supposed to have been basically Vladimir Putin’s agent, [the New York Times] published at least 3,000 (by my estimate) stories on Trump being manipulated by the Russians. … They got millions and millions of subscribers because of that,” Gurri says.

He’s the author of the “The Fifth Wave” Substack column and author of “The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium.”

In this episode, we dive into the radical transformation of the media and information ecosystems.

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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0:00.0	What is post-journalism? It's an entirely new business model and it was stumbled on by the New York Times.
0:06.4	In 2016, the New York Times had less than 1 million digital subscribers and was struggling.
0:13.0	Trump comes.
0:14.0	By the end of the Trump administration today, New Times has 10 million digital
0:20.0	subscribers.
0:21.0	Martin Gurry is a writer, a former media analyst at the CIA, and author of the Pritcheen 2014 book, The Revolt of the Public
0:28.3	and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium.
0:31.0	Post-journalism essentially is the idea that journalism commodifies polarization.
0:37.6	In this deep dive interview, he breaks down the radical transformation of our media and information
0:42.4	landscape after the internet in effect
0:45.1	democratized information. The elite have seen their authority completely
0:49.8	hammered away and they are on the war path about it. They're trying to create
0:54.0	censorship structures. They're giving us reasons why democracy can't survive
0:58.5	unless we censor information and communication that the everyday public has access to.
1:05.0	This is American Thought Leaders and I'm Yanya Kelleck.
1:07.0	Martin Gury, such a pleasure to have you on American thought leaders.
1:13.2	Happy to be here.
1:14.8	Let's talk about post-journalism.
1:18.0	I'm very excited actually to have this conversation because we live in a world today where media do not work the way that we thought they did.
1:29.0	And you've been looking into this.
1:32.0	Andre Muir who wrote the book Post journalism has been looking into this. Andre Muir who wrote the book Post Journalism has been looking into this.
1:36.0	Let's dive in.
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