Hello, welcome to Pod Save the UK. This is a very special episode that we recorded on

Wednesday the 22nd of May and a great conversation about the challenges

facing the transgender community at the moment in this country.

It was recorded before the election announcement

and that's why it's been released after we had a conversation

about the general election.

But we're so proud of this episode, so please listen and enjoy.

Hi, this is PodSaith, the UK.

I'm Nish Kamar.

And I'm Coco Card.

This week, the government says schools should stop teaching

children about gender identity. We're joined by Freddie McConnell and

Abigail Thorne and we call bullshit on the claim that students are being

taught about 72 genders.

Last week the government announced new draft guidance for schools in England and Wales to not teach about, and I quote, the concept of gender identity. To explain what gender identity refers to, that's the personal sense of how we define our own gender.

For some of us that corresponds to the sex assigned a birth and for others is something else.

So essentially, regardless of your age, whether you're 17 or 7, the updated guidance is clear,

gender identity shouldn't be taught.

The proposals came from Education Secretary Jillian Keegan who says that schools should make it clear

that gender ideology is a contested subject.

That's her phrases not as. The document asks that schools do not use any materials that present

those quote contested views as fact and that includes the view that gender is a spectrum.

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