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It's the 10% Happier podcast.

I'm Dan Harris.

Hello, everybody.

How we doing?

Tribalism gets a bad rap for reasons that I can personally understand quite deeply.

So I was a little surprised at first when I heard about the argument that my guest today is going to make, which is that there's actually

an upside to this much maligned aspect of the human repertoire. However, said guest draws a

useful distinction between tribalism and the way in which we often use that term and the tribal instincts

for which we've all been wired by evolution. And you'll hear him talk about this, the difference

between tribalism and our tribal instincts. This is linguistic distinction with a real difference.

In the words of my guest, solidarity does not imply hostility.

And if you're trying to lead people or influence people at home or at work, you can tap into these tribal instincts in very powerful and productive ways.

Of course, there are risks, and we get into that in this conversation.

First, though, let me introduce my guest.

Michael Morris is the Chavkin Chang Professor of Leadership at Columbia Business School,

as well as a professor in its psychology department.

His latest book is called Tribal, How the Cultural Instincts That Divide Us,

can help bring us together.

We'll get started with Michael Morris right after this.

But first, I want to say this.

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