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So much

hysteria about China and the only way according to Washington to deal with the China

according to Washington to deal with the China challenge is to get crazier and crazier.

And you know, China is a big challenge, but the United States is a grown-up country and it can deal with it without having to go to

war tomorrow's. So I was hoping to present some views of people who know a lot

about China who don't subscribe to the hysteria and to show that there is a way of

understanding it that doesn't need to scare the living daylights out of people.

Before we get a little before we get much farther will you or I guess before we get much farther, will you, or I guess before we get much further, rather, will you introduce

yourself and the show that you're here to talk about?

I'm Jane Pélès and I've just created an eight part podcast called Face Off, US versus China,

with a great production team from Pushkin and NPR and a great sound team in Philadelphia,

Row Home Productions, and I think we've produced a very lively set of discussions and documentary feel episodes about the

challenge from China. I was in Beijing for the New York Times from 2012 to 2019 as a correspondent as

as Beijing Bureau Chief, but I had visited China many times before from my

base in Indonesia and then I first went to China I don't know whether

I'm embarrassed or pleased to admit it during the Cultural Revolution when I was a university student in Australia.

So I have a firsthand reminiscences and knowledge of the Cultural revolution at its height.

Oh my, that's so fascinating to me.

You have to tell us about that.

Yeah, please.

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