Hey everybody, welcome to the liturgist podcast. A non-judgmental place where we explore topics

through the lens of science, art and faith, or lack thereof. My name is Michael Gunger

and I'm the co-founder of the liturgists with Mike McCart, otherwise known as Science

Mike, and usually one of the hosts on this program. Today is a special episode though.

It's in a little different format than normal. This is an intimate and vulnerable conversation

between science, Mike, and Hillary McBride about what the two of them have been learning

lately in life. These are two of my favorite human beings on planet earth and I really enjoyed

listening to just them talk for a bit and I think you will too. So welcome to the liturgist

podcast everybody.

Mike, do you journal?

I used to and I feel like I should pick the process back up because journaling really

helped me work through some difficult periods of my life for sure.

Hmm.

Why did you stop?

I got busy making podcasts.

Like this.

To some degree I do journal publicly and I know that sometimes I'm trying to reflect

on what's been happening in my life or because of my kind of interesting relationship with

memory, try to understand literally what has happened and win in my life. I go back and

listen to podcasts and that kind of helps me remember what I was thinking in the past

but as a chronology tool journaling is superior because it's much more searchable than

a bunch of audio sitting on the public internet and as open as I am there are things I will

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