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The Liturgists Podcast

THIS

The Liturgists Podcast

The Liturgists

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.83.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2019

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Science Mike, William Matthews, and Hillary McBride talk with Michael Gungor about his newest book, THIS. As Michael shares, letting go of the stories that defined his identity and value in the world led him and his family on a wild and painful journey through atheism, mysticism, betrayal, loss, medical issues, moving trucks, and thousands of online trolls. The deconstruction of his faith is one story. The transformation of it is another. As Michael lets us know, our stories are the seams of illusion that we sew into reality―in order to label this and that. But what you think of as you (or anything else for that matter) is simply movement within the ocean of Being―of THIS. Once you see that is it just a story, you can let go and be free. You can get your copy of THIS on Amazon.com or, if you prefer audio books, you can get THIS for free by signing up for an Audible trial using our affiliate link.

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0:00.0

Michael Gunger is the most misunderstood person that I know.

0:07.1

Sometimes it feels like at least once a month the Christian media website will write yet

0:12.0

another takedown on why he's such a danger to the church, and that forgets the fact,

0:18.2

of course, that Michael doesn't claim to be a part of the church at all, much less

0:23.3

a leader in it.

0:26.2

It's not just conservative Christians who misunderstand Michael Gunger.

0:32.6

People ask me every week, what does Michael believe?

0:36.9

Or perhaps more amusingly to me, they'll ask what Gunger believes as if Michael the person

0:43.2

is indivisible from the band that shares his surname.

0:48.6

Or they'll ask me, what's with the Vishnu thing?

0:51.7

Or why is he so combative on Twitter?

0:56.3

To be Michael's friend is to entertain a constant stream of curiosities and confusions from

1:04.1

a world that never really sees him.

1:08.6

And that breaks my heart.

1:12.3

Not because people hold different views than Michael, gosh, I love and celebrate different

1:17.5

points of view.

1:19.2

Now I get sad because I realize that people don't see who I see.

1:29.0

Michael isn't a fallen worship leader to me or a podcast host or an author or even an

1:37.6

influential thinker and artist.

1:41.4

Michael Gunger above all is my best friend.

1:46.7

So I get sad when parts of the world can't see the wonderful kind and thoughtful soul that

1:54.9

has been such a dear and faithful friend to me, even at times when very few people were

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