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Hi, I'm Anouche. I'm Freddie. I'm Chris.

And on today's New Statesman podcast, we discuss the prospect of a fresh Scottish

independence referendum and then you ask us, has Keir Starmer dropped Labour's most appealing

policies by rejecting Corbynism.

So for the first half, I'm delighted to be joined by our Scotland editor,

Chris Deer, and to discuss Nicola Sturgeon's latest gambit.

Earlier this week, she outlined plans to hold a so-called consultative independence referendum

on the 19th of October next year, or if that's not deemed legal by the Supreme Court,

then framing the 2024 general election or whenever the next general election may be

as a de facto vote on Scottish independence.

So Chris, this comes off the back of a surge and sort of relaunching the referendum campaign

by releasing a new paper on the case for independence last month.

And at the time, you wrote a piece with a very funny intro that I do encourage all

listeners to read if they haven't read it already.

Outlining how the phrase independence referendum has carved a groove in your mouth after 25

years of covering Scottish politics. I mean, is this same old, same old from Sturgeon,

or should we sort of sit up and take notice this time?

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