Okay, everyone. Hello, it is Luke, and I have a person here today who's not Gomer, but it's like the unseen part of I'm catching foxes, the third person that no one speaks of, kind of like the Holy Spirit before the charismatic movement.

Joe, Joe, I can take your last name, the white you can't yeah I'm not worried

about getting I still that's still in my brain about not being able to say your last name

even though it's been in 10 years there's more than one of my name out there I'm sure it'll be

all right yeah so here with a producer of the show Joe I always said Joel that was weird

Joe Coleman uh Joe happy to have you here how are you besides the five minutes that we just talked about in your pie first and stuff? I'm good. I am good. It only took two years. I'm glad I could make it on the episode. Have you been producing for two years now? Yeah, right about early 2023. I think like March. I want to say March. I think that's right.

Do you know what I would. That's crazy. It's been that long. Yeah. I know. Yeah.

Joe, one of the first people outside of like my friend circle and my family told about my divorce.

Is that crazy? That's right. Yeah. I think I told you like this is weird or the first person I'm telling who's not like... Yeah. This was before I had either...

I think I had just been producing the podcast for a bit because I remember...

I thought this was very funny.

It was very kind in your part.

You were just like, hey, look, I'm getting a divorce.

If you feel scandalized by this or you don't want to participate in this, like I totally understand that respect that and I was like I don't know I mean

I don't know your life it seems to be that you're doing this correctly and you could make a case that

there's an annulment here or if there's not you understand like the ramifications of a civil divorce

and like what that means for your still valid sacrament of marriage I'm like no, no, it's fine. Yeah, I'm good.

A couple years later, we're still here.

So it didn't get rid of me.

No, and that was really good for me too because I was scared.

I mean, I was terrified to tell people.

Like, I think I told you and Katie McGree were like for the, I think Katie, actually

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