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🗓️ 7 April 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Maybe Trump doesn’t care if the economy tanks—maybe he believes he can play it all to his advantage. And maybe, through a lot of pain, this is the only way America’s going to learn its lesson. Guest: Jonathan Last, editor of The Bulwark Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey everyone. Before I get the show started, I just want to acknowledge that this weekend,
0:05.3	hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets and cities and towns all over this country.
0:10.9	Shut it down! Shut it down! Shut it down! Shut it down!
0:18.2	These folks were out there to make their opposition to Donald Trump's administration known.
0:24.1	And if you were part of these protests, we want to hear about it.
0:27.4	Tell us where you're from. What brought you out?
0:30.0	If you've got a surprising story of someone you met while marching, we want to hear that too.
0:35.2	The way to tell us is by giving us a call.
0:37.4	Our number is 646-582-0091.
0:42.9	That's 646-582-0-0-91. Leave a message. We might use it as part of a future episode.
0:50.0	Now, on with the show.
1:01.4	Do you ever read something that you just keep thinking about weeks later?
1:05.4	You bring it up with other people, you roll it over in your mind.
1:07.1	You can't shake it.
1:13.3	Ever since the election, I've had my version of this. The thing I read was titled A Modest Proposal, Let Trump Be Trump. It was written by the editor of the bulwark, Jonathan
1:20.7	last. The idea behind the essay was, like, this is what America voted for.
1:38.5	And the only way to get public opinion to change is for people to experience all of the terrible things they asked for.
1:40.1	Give it to him good and hard, I believe you have said.
1:42.7	Yeah.
1:43.6	Yeah, the Minkin quote, right.
1:46.0	This is Jonathan himself.
1:48.1	His friends call him JVL.
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