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What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.

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The Wall Street Journal

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4.25.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 January 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

How close is artificial intelligence to building a catastrophic bioweapon or causing other superhuman damage? WSJ's Sam Schechner reports on the team at Anthropic testing for AI dangers. And the team leader, Logan Graham, explains how the tests work.  Further Listening: -Artificial: The OpenAI Story  -The Big Changes Tearing OpenAI Apart  Further Reading: -Their Job Is to Push Computers Toward AI Doom  -AI Startup Anthropic Raising Funds Valuing It at $60 Billion  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

When you hear the words AI apocalypse, often movies come to mind.

0:11.0

Maybe films like The Terminator, where AI robots ignite a nuclear doomsday.

0:16.1

It becomes self-aware at 2.14 a.m. Eastern Time, August 29th.

0:21.6

Or maybe that Marvel movie, where AI tries to destroy the Avengers.

0:28.3

Artificial intelligence.

0:32.3

This could be it, Bruce.

0:33.9

This could be the key to creating Ultron.

0:36.4

Or maybe it's the Matrix, where humans have become enslaved by machines.

0:42.2

A singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines.

0:47.1

We don't know who struck first, us or them.

0:51.5

This is a story as old as humans have been telling stories.

0:54.7

It's a creation that escapes from our control.

0:57.6

You know, it's a golem.

0:58.7

It's a thing that we make that then turns on us.

1:01.2

It's a Frankenstein, or it's Frankenstein's monster, I should say.

1:05.2

That's our colleague, Sam Shackner.

1:08.2

Lately, Sam's been thinking a lot about the AI apocalypse.

1:13.9

One version, we turn over more and more control to these machines that hopefully are

1:19.3

benevolent to us.

1:21.0

The other scenario is that they don't really care about us, and therefore they might just, hold on, let me back up here,

1:31.2

because now I'm getting really into crazy sci-fi scenarios.

1:35.7

Robots taking over the world may sound far-fetched. But as AI gets smarter, there are real

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