When a State Tells Trump 'No'

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🗓️ 16 April 2025

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In February, Donald Trump and Maine Governor Janet Mills got into a spat over Trump’s executive order on trans athletes, that ended with both parties tersely agreeing to meet in court. Since then, the Trump administration seems to be trying to make an example of the state—cutting off federal funding where it can. Guest: Callie Ferguson, investigative reporter for the Bangor Daily News. Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:11.9	Maine's governor, Janet Mills, was there with a whole bunch of other governors meeting with President Trump.
1:17.8	What brought her to Washington?
1:19.7	I believe she happened to be there that week for a governor's association conference.
1:27.3	Callie Ferguson is an investigative reporter for the Bangor Daily News.
1:32.1	All the governors were in Washington that week, meeting on various issues,
1:36.2	and it just so happened that there was this debate in Maine, back in Maine brewing that, you know,
1:43.2	erupted on Friday. That Friday night in February, sitting in Maine brewing that, you know, erupted on Friday.
1:45.0	That Friday night in February, sitting in front of the governors,
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