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Where is Jamal Khashoggi?

Worldly

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.41.8K Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2018

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Zack, Jenn, and Alex discuss the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi dissident-in-exile and Washington Post columnist. Khashoggi went into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to get some paperwork, and then never came out; it’s looking like the increasingly repressive Saudi government either kidnapped or killed him, and is now having to face the consequences. On Elsewhere, they discuss a recent attempt to ban same-sex marriage in Romania that backfired spectacularly. Jenn teaches the team how to pronounce Arabic names, Alex makes the “wah-wah” noise, and Zack is shocked that the show ended on a positive note for once. Vox’s Alexia Underwood wrote a great explainer on the Khashoggi situation. Alexia also recommends this piece with more background on Khashoggi. You can read Khashoggi’s columns in the Washington Post. As Jenn mentioned, the New York Times dug into the identities of the 15 men. US intelligence reportedly suggests Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered Khashoggi’s rendition to Saudi Arabia Jenn walked us through the larger pattern of disappearing activists. Here are two good pieces that dive into that in more detail, one from the Washington Post and one from the New York Times. We also dove into this in our most recent episode about Saudi Arabia. As Zack mentioned, women who fought for rights in Saudi Arabia were then detained. NPR interviewed Khashoggi about this at the time. The Daily Beast found out that Khashoggi planned to start a pro-democracy group for the Middle East. The blank space where Khashoggi’s column should be. The US may soon place sanctions and enact other punishments on Saudi Arabia. Top US officials — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, National Security Adviser John Bolton, and White House adviser Jared Kushner — have spoken with Mohammed bin Salman about the Khashoggi situation. Jenn cited another piece of pushback — from the tech sector. And from the New York Times. Alex mentioned that a lot of money was spent on the referendum. The number is somewhere between 40 and 50 million dollars. More on previous failed attempts at legalizing same-sex unions in Romania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey worldly listeners, Zach Beecham here, just want to let you know that the Weeds is doing a midterm special every Wednesday up until November 7th and you should go listen if you want to stay on top of the US election, which I'm sure you do.

0:13.0

Hello and welcome to the world

0:24.8

Hello and welcome the worldly part of the Fox Media Podcast Network. Zach Beecham here with Alex Ward and Jen Williams.

0:28.0

Hello.

0:29.0

Hey everybody. Today we're going to talk about a mysterious disappearance that has people around the world really troubled.

0:35.2

That's the disappearance of Jamal Kachochi, a prominent Saudi dissident and columnist for the Washington Post.

0:41.3

We're going to talk about what we know about his case

0:43.2

and what it means in the broader scope of global politics and for how we

0:47.3

understand Saudi Arabia. But first Jen let's talk a little bit more about who

0:51.2

Chokshi is. He's this Saudi journalist who is a dissident. He's been really critical of the regime.

0:59.0

He wrote for this newspaper called Al-Watan in Saudi Arabia and in recent months and in the last year or so he's seen

1:07.7

his fellow journalist bloggers, kind of other dissidents and activists, be jailed and disappeared by the regime.

1:16.0

So he fled to the United States.

1:17.6

He's been living in Virginia, and he's also been writing a column for the Washington Post.

1:21.7

He used his platform in the post to be quite critical of the Saudi regime, and this was coming

1:25.0

at a time late last year, especially when people were quite excited about Mohammed

1:29.6

bin Salman, the crown prince who leads the country, and the reforms that he was putting forward

1:35.0

about helping women drive or opening up movie theaters and so he's asked on a BBC show

1:40.0

November 2017 and he's asked about these reforms.

1:44.0

You have been calling for a long time now for reform in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

1:51.0

We now see a man at the top who appears determined to deliver on

1:56.7

reform. You delighted with what you're seeing in the Saudi capital? I might sound throughout the show with the conflicting messages. Yes I am

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