Tortoise.

Just a warning before we start.

This episode contains references to child abuse and sexual assault.

I should probably explain how I come to the story. I'd love to hear that.

Yes, yes, please.

So this was 2016 and I received a telephone call from somebody I know asking whether I wanted to talk to Anne Craig and at that point I had no idea who Anne Craig was.

I'm sitting in a glass-walled meeting room inside the busy newsroom of the Daily Telegraph newspaper with a journalist called Mick Brown.

He's a dapper man,

neat gray hair, round tortoiseshell glasses,

and a crisp white shirt.

There's something of the old school about him.

Mick usually writes profiles.

Over the years he sat down with Marvin Gaye, Brad Pitt, Aretha Franklin, but occasionally... and that call from a source. I wanted to kind of suspend judgment about what the rights and wrongs of the case were, who was right and who was wrong,

but I was obviously very intrigued by the case.

Mick had never heard of Anne, her arrest, the allegations made against her,

or her vehement denials of any wrongdoing.

He hadn't heard about the events affecting

Huey, Tory, Phippsy and the other young women. He had no sense of the story in front of him.

But what he was hearing from this source was that

Anne's story had been misrepresented. It was Anne who was the victim in all of this and despite her doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law

she was still being harassed. As a result of that, I telephoned Anne Craig,

arranged a meet with Anne Craig, and that was really the beginning of

...