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America Dissected

Who’s Afraid of a Scientist with a Microphone?

America Dissected

Incision Media LLC

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.64.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Abdul and Katelyn pose questions for RFK’s Senate Confirmation hearings. Then they discuss the fallout from Trump’s sledgehammer on our government agencies, including: A freeze on most federal grants and aid, here and abroad (now rescinded) A pause on health agency communication and travel Removing all DEI programs from the federal government, including diverse clinical trials Offering all federal employees 6-months of pay to resign from their jobs Then Abdul talks to epidemiologist and author Dr. Caitlin Rivers about her new book Crisis Averted: The Hidden Science of Fighting Outbreaks. Caitlin tells us where we are in the current flu season, and how public health professionals can build back trust with Americans. You can find Caitlin Rivers’ newsletter Force of Infection here. Check out our shop at store.americadissected.com for our new America Dissected merch – including logo shirts, hoodies and mugs. And don’t miss our brand new "Science Won't Be Silenced" long-sleeved t-shirts! This show would not be possible without the generous support of our sponsors. America Dissected invites you to check them out. This episode was brought to you by: Our Big Shot: This new podcast series explores one of the biggest achievements in human history: the worldwide effort of immunization. You can listen to “Our Big Shot” wherever you get podcasts.

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0:00.0

A quote-unquote pause in all federal funds, a gag order on the federal health agencies and a line in the sand for federal workers.

0:15.1

We're really doing this, I guess.

0:16.8

This is America Dissected.

0:18.0

I'm your host, Dr. Abdu L. Seid.

0:19.7

And I'm your co-host, Dr. Caitlin Jettelina.

0:26.5

Caitlin, what a week, and I feel like we're going to keep saying that for a while.

0:30.6

Stepping back, like, what is the mood music in your mind right now?

0:33.5

Oh, mute music?

0:34.6

I don't even have time for mood music.

0:37.0

I don't know. It's exhausting. It's depressing. It's deflating. It's a little bit chaotic. I don't know. There must be a jazz combo of all of those things.

0:49.5

It's like some of this experimental jazz where they just break everything and you're left being like, okay, what was that? Yeah. How about you? Yeah, not great. I, um, I woke up this morning to

1:01.6

find that upwards of like a third of our public health budget was downstream of federal funds

1:09.0

that had just been frozen and had multiple conversations

1:12.2

with coworkers and tears about whether or not they'd still have jobs. And, you know, this is the

1:17.7

hard part about it, is that you have an administration, I think it's easy to say that they don't

1:22.4

appreciate the downstream consequences of what they're doing. I think they actually decidedly do.

1:27.3

And I think they're doing

1:28.2

this because they know it wreaks havoc, because they know it interrupts the system, and because

1:33.1

they know that it frustrates and angers and saddens and overwhelms people who care about this

1:39.7

stuff like we do. And so here we are. It's just really, really devastating.

1:44.8

Yeah, I mean, Russ Vaught, right, the key architect to a lot of these phrases,

1:50.3

said plainly during his confirmation that I want people to feel the pain. And that is what

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