Why China's AI Strategy Just Might Work — With Grace Shao

Big Technology Podcast

Alex Kantrowitz

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4.6 • 395 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Grace Shao is a Hong Kong-based writer and analyst, and author of AI Proem on Substack newsletter. She joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss China's rise in artificial intelligence, and whether (and how) it can be a global player. Tune in to hear how China's AI startups are rapidly productizing cutting-edge tech, why it keeps developing open-source models, and why it's surging in robotics. We also cover AI agents like Manus, chip shortages, and the entrepreneurial resurgence transforming Chinese tech culture. Hit play for an essential conversation on China’s AI ambitions and their global implications. You can read more from Grace here: https://open.substack.com/pub/aiproem --- Enjoying Big Technology Podcast? Please rate us five stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ in your podcast app of choice. For weekly updates on the show, sign up for the pod newsletter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6901970121829801984/ Want a discount for Big Technology on Substack? Here’s 40% off for the first year: https://tinyurl.com/bigtechnology Questions? Feedback? Write to: [email protected]

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0:00.0	Forward thinkers know that when people thrive, organizations thrive.
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0:22.9	We'll navigate career pivots.
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0:31.4	Listen to Hello Monday with me, Jesse Hempel on the LinkedIn Podcast Network or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:41.7	Was Deepseek an outlier or a sign that China's AI industry is a force to be reckoned with and a potential global leader in artificial intelligence?
0:45.5	We'll talk about it with a leading China analyst right after this.
0:51.2	Welcome to Big Technology podcast, a show for cool-headed, nuanced conversation of the tech world and beyond.
0:55.5	You asked for it. We're delivering a China episode all about China's AI positioning, how competitive the country is in AI, whether Deepseek was an outlier and what
1:01.6	might be coming next. It's a show that we've been looking forward to doing for a while and
1:05.9	very happy to be bringing to you today. And we're joined by a great guest. Hong Kong based writer and analyst. Grace
1:12.4	Shao is here. She's the author of AI Proem on Substack and is here to share with us everything
1:19.4	that's going on in China and all the context that's been missing from the headline. So Grace,
1:24.6	great to see you. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me.
1:28.0	Alex. Great to meet everyone here online. All right. Let's start off with this question that we've been
1:32.2	wondering about here, which is whether DeepSeek was an outlier, whether it was just a smart
1:36.6	group of people who came up with a real AI innovation or the tip of the spear, showing that Chinese
1:43.0	AI is really starting to be globally competitive
1:45.7	and a force to be reckoned with on the worldwide stage.
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