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Worldly

Why fringe groups are winning around the world

Worldly

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.41.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 November 2018

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Jenn, Alex, and returning special guest Alina Polyakova discuss what a presidential election in Brazil and a stunning political announcement in Germany have in common: the collapse of centrist leadership worldwide. The center-left and center-right have broadly governed world affairs since World War II, but a mix of economic problems and growing immigration have led fringe groups to gain power around the globe. It’s a potentially dangerous development that threatens to upend how the world has mostly governed itself for more than 70 years. Jenn usurps Zack’s traditional hosting role, Alex somehow fails to make a soccer reference, and Alina corrects many of Alex’s bad takes. We based the episode around Alex’s piece on the decline of centrist leadership around the world. Alex mentioned the Bretton Woods agreement that led to many of the world’s global institutions. Alina noted how the European Union rose from the ashes of World War II. International relations theory nerds will appreciate the “End of History” reference. We didn’t have enough time to talk about Brazil’s “Operation Car Wash,” but watching this Vox video will get you up to speed. Jair Bolsonaro made a horrifying statement that he would rather have a dead son than a homosexual one. Bolsonaro has had so many sexist moments, a compilation video was made. And yes, Bolsonaro praised the country’s dark past with torture as he voted to impeach former President Dilma Rousseff — who herself was tortured. For more on Bolsonaro, read Jen Kirby’s piece for Vox. Millennials around the globe don’t seem to think democracy is that important, as Alina pointed out. Read about the two October elections — one in Bavaria and the other in Hesse — that doomed Angela Merkel. Here’s why Merkel has been the vanguard for status-quo, centrist politics, and why that led to her downfall. Merkel’s troubles began in 2015 when she let in more than a million refugees. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Worldly, part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Jen Williams here with Alex Ward

0:14.5

and our returning special guest,

0:15.8

Dr. Alina Poliokova.

0:17.6

Hello.

0:18.2

Hi, thanks for being here.

0:20.0

Alina is an expert on far right movements

0:21.9

and European politics at the Brookings Institution.

0:24.5

And we asked her here today because we're going to talk about something she knows a lot about,

0:28.6

the collapse of centrist politics around the world.

0:31.7

A little later in the show, we're going to look at two very different examples of this,

0:36.0

one in Brazil and one in Germany.

0:38.3

But let's just start with the basics here.

0:40.3

What does it mean to be in the center?

0:42.3

Well, the center as we know it today basically means, at least in the European context also in the United States,

0:48.0

and these are the centrist parties of the left and the right that have supported the buildup of what we call as the

0:54.0

international level order. They've kept the transatlantic relationship as sort of the

0:58.6

bedrock of international stability. Right, so if you think about it for about 70 years or so, that's the kind of broadly speaking

1:06.6

governance structure we've had. That center, left, center, right parties in throughout Europe,

1:10.6

in the US, even elsewhere, have kind of kept this, as Lena said,

1:14.2

liberal and national order going, which really means greater flow of trade, of people,

1:19.0

of democratic politics, like a greater linking of these governments and an alliance structure that has kept this system in place.

1:27.0

So that's for the past 70 years or so. Why 70 years?

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