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This week on the Andrew Yang podcast, we are conflicted against our own impulse to make government work, right?

That we are simultaneously eager to build out this institution so that it can solve big problems like climate change

and dreadfully fearful that like powerful officials will do things that we personally don't like.

And that sort of puts us in this strange position where we're selling refrigerators that don't keep the food cold.

Like if we're going to fix these problems, government needs to work and that's something that we as progressives need to grapple with ourselves.

It is my pleasure to welcome to the podcast, fellow at Brown University,

Great School, Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, and the author of the brand new book that explains a whole lot about a lot of things, why nothing works, who killed progress and how to bring it back.

Mark Dunkelman. Welcome, Mark. Thanks for having me. This is great. It is great because this book is great. Not your first book.

You wrote a book about, I think, the banishing neighborliness of Americans. You've been in politics for

quite some time. You worked on Capitol Hill, and that's one reason why I enjoyed your book so much,

is that it had the wisdom of a battle-hearted veteran who had been in the room

trying to get big things done.

So first, give people a sense of your background.

So I graduated from college, moved down to D.C., spent a whole lot of time bouncing around

different Democratic offices on the hill, worked for Joe Biden for a little

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