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Does the fashion industry have it out for conservative women?

Well, I'll tell you what, conservative women are pushing back.

Welcome to the Happy Women podcast.

I'm Jennifer Horn.

And I'm Katie Gorka.

And our guest today is El Pernel.

She is the elections editor at the federal as they do a great job. You can give her a

follow at underscore L. Pernell. And Elle, thanks for being a happy woman with us today. It's great to be

here. All right. So there is a lot to talk about. We want to hear about your story. We want to

hear about what you think about this election. But we got to talk about the fashion because the happy women

last week were very excited by looking at the fashion from the inauguration and what has totally,

as someone who loves, look, as a conservative woman who loves fashion magazines and I love

watching beautiful dresses and makeup and beauty, the industry has totally snubbed Melania Trump,

who I think is arguably one of our most,

if not the most beautiful first lady in history. She is elegant. She's graceful. She's gorgeous,

a former model. But it seems like they totally shut her out during the first four years of the

Trump presidency. But she got Oscar DeLorentia to, well, not her. She had her private

designers, but we had Oscar de Laurentia designing for Ivanka Trump, for Usha Vance. Elle, do you think

that we're going to see a turnaround here? Do you think fashion may find conservative women after all this

time? I don't think it's a question of fashion finding conservative women. I think it's been there

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