The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory.

The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked. But what's the alternative?

Middle-out economics is the answer. Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence.

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This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out.

Welcome to the show.

Goldie, today we get to talk to a pretty old friend of mine,

a Senator Chris Murphy from the great state of Connecticut.

And Senator Murphy has been really outspoken and articulate

on the issue of the demise of neoliberalism and the damage that neoliberalism has done to

the country. And, you know, he and I have spoken about this a bunch of times. Sometimes he's been a little bit of a voice in the wilderness, but obviously more and more people are coming around to his view.

But few, in my experience, are as good at articulating it as him.

And so I'm super psyched to have him on the podcast to talk about his views and to share with us what he thinks,

why we're in the box we're in, and what we should do going forward. So, you know, with that,

I think, I think we should just talk to Senator Murphy. Let's have that conversation.

I'm Chris Murphy. I'm Chris Murphy, and I represent Connecticut in the United States Senate, and I just plug

Connecticut.

Connecticut.

It's an awesome place.

Well, Chris, you and I have talked about this a lot. You know, you've been on this, not long, but longer than most people, warpath, on the ways in which neoliberalism has harmed the country and to a certain extent harmed the Democratic Party.

You know, for our listeners, just sort of describe your thesis or sum up your perspective on where

we are and how we got here. And I guess start with your definition of neoliberalism.

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