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The US has just given us a masterclass in how to completely change politics. The interesting thing is

we have just gone from an enormous conservative majority

in 2019 with Boris Johnson to an enormous labor majority with Kirstama. Now that itself shows

the volatility in the system. So people used to say in this country, well, my dad voted labor,

his dad voted labor, you'll never get an insurgent party breaking through. I say, look at Germany, look at Italy, look at France, look at Sweden.

Everywhere you look in European nations, disruptors are breaking through.

Because I think we're not just seeing the re-election of Trump.

I think what Trump symbolizes is a new chapter in the history of mass democracy.

It's a new cultural zeitgeist.

Like counterculture is becoming the culture.

I think that's fascinating.

And the old left-right split that shape politics in the 20th century

I think is now completely making way for this new two-dimensional politics

where cultural values are really dominant.

All right, Matt Goodwin.

Let's talk about what's going on with the conservatives in this country,

because one of the themes that I've talked to a whole bunch of people about since we've been here at Arc

is that the conservatives are better than the liberals here, but are not that great and seem incapable of solving problems.

And of course, now there's Nigel Frage's Reform Party. How do you see the landscape there? Do you think that's the proper assessment of what's going on with the conservatives? And what does that look like for Americans that maybe don't pay too much attention to

the inner workings of British politics? Yeah, well, I think Americans should pay a lot of attention,

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