Race is very emotional issue with Black America, and it has been manipulated for decades

by people who use it to direct blacks to vote in a certain way.

In this episode, I sit down with Bob Woodson and Joshua Mitchell.

Bob Woodson is a civil rights leader, author, and founder and president of the Woodson Center.

Joshua Mitchell is a professor

of political theory at Georgetown University. The partisan debate on race is driven by guilty

whites who are seeking absolution from crimes they never committed, and entitled blacks who are

seeking absolution from injustices they never suffered. What does Trump's election victory mean for Black America?

Will Trump be the first post-racial president?

And how can America revitalize its ailing communities?

We have levels of despair and depression because the state has become this administrative behemoth,

making citizen competence

impossible. So we've got this invitation to return to the founder's vision where we have

citizen competence. The only way you can have small government is if you have massive citizen

competence. This is American Thought Leaders and I'm Yanya Kellick. Bob Woodson, Josh Mitchell, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kellick.

Bob Woodson, Josh Mitchell, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Pleased to be here. Glad to be here.

So, Bob, as someone who is deep in the civil rights movement and being a self-proclaimed radical pragmatist. What happened with the black vote this time around?

I think what you witnessed is liberation. I think race is very emotional issue with black America,

and it can be very easily manipulated, and it has been manipulated for decades by people who use it to direct blacks to vote in a certain way.

But I think over the time it's matured to the point

where people are more concerned about their personal safety

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