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Why Women Kill

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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4.6 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

A survey of people incarcerated in California found that 20 percent of women in for homicide had killed their abusive partners. How have self-defense laws failed women in abusive relationships—and how can they be reformed to save lives? Guest: Rachel Louise Snyder, journalist, author of No Visible Bruises: What We Don’t Know About Domestic Violence Can Kill Us, and professor at American University. Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:45.9

It was summer when Rachel Snyder started showing up in women's prisons all across California with a survey and some snacks. There are a couple of these

0:57.0

institutions. The biggest is known as the Central California Women's Facility. It's out in

1:03.5

Central California. It's surrounded by almond groves and desert. It's hot, hot, hot. I mean, like,

1:10.8

Iraq hot, right? Middle East hot. In fact, in July of

1:13.9

2024, a woman collapsed in the yard during one of the big heat waves that summer and died.

1:23.1

You were there to talk to murderers, right? I was there to talk to, yeah, women who had been, or women identifying inmates who had been convicted of manslaughter, murder.

1:35.5

There's, you know, a lot of charges within that, but they were all in for homicide.

1:41.3

Rachel is a journalist, but she teamed up with Stanford University to do some research.

1:47.0

The big question that we were trying to get at was, did domestic violence intersect with their

1:54.4

conviction? So in other words, had they not been a victim of domestic violence, would that crime have happened?

2:03.8

To figure this out, Rachel was asking some incredibly personal questions about who these

2:09.8

incarcerated women had been partnered up with before prison and how that person treated them.

2:15.5

Were they choked? Beaten? Was he jealous or unemployed?

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