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It's the Brian Laira Show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. Are Donald Trump and the MAGA

movement making America hungry again? Not hungry as in not enough food, though that may come too,

depending on how the terrorist policies work out. Hungry as in the country. Sunday's all things

considered, maybe you heard it,

looked at what's happening in Victor Orban's Christian right authoritarian utopia, some see it as,

and related it to what has been happening this year here. Here's a clip from that report of

Kasaba Lukacs, I hope I'm saying that right, managing director of Magyar Hong, translation Hungarian voice, a newspaper formed by journalists at what used to be prominent newspapers that have now been forced to shut down by Victor Orban's government.

The journalist Lukox is talking here about how far democracy, including freedom of the press, have fallen and not.

We are not yet in Turkey, because the journalists will be not jailed yet.

We are not in Russia because nobody was falling out from the windows yet.

But day by day, we are getting closer.

And by many measures, so are we. Here's Peter Krecko, a Hungarian political scientist in that

all things considered report. I think Trump went further in two months than Orban could in 15 years.

The United States, it reminds me of a constitutional

coup, where everything happens very rapidly. And who better to talk about what that source

described as a constitutional coup than Anne Applebaum, the Atlantic Magazine staff writer,

and author of Autocracy, Inc., the

dictators who want to run the world. Her latest articles are precisely on the U.S. becoming more

like Hungary, one on why dictatorships fail, little hope there, and her most recent one called

Kleptocracy Inc., as recent events seem to be coming right out of the

Autocracy Inc. scenario she wrote about in her book. And though she was booked to be on today before

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