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Will Rwanda work?

The Rundown by PoliticsHome

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🗓️ 26 April 2024

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Conservative MP Robert Buckland and director of the Hansard Society Dr Ruth Fox join PoliticsHome's Alain Tolhurst and Caitlin Doherty to discuss the passage of the government’s Safety of Rwanda Bill into law after a tortuous journey through parliament, and whether it will ultimately achieve Rishi Sunak’s pledge to ‘stop the boats’.


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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from Politics Home.

0:10.1

I'm your host, Alan Tolhurst, after the government's safety of Rwanda bill finally passed into law this week.

0:15.2

We're looking at where this leaves Rishi Sunax pledged to stop the boats.

0:18.3

What we've learned about how Parliament is operating after a torturous journey for the legislation onto the statute book, if anything will now stop flights

0:24.5

taking off for Kigali this summer, and will that change the Tory party's fortunes?

0:28.5

Joining me to discuss all that, I'm delighted to say we have Robert Buckland,

0:31.3

Concerns of MP and a former Justice Secretary. Alongside him, we have Dr Ruth Fox,

0:35.4

director of the Hansard Society, the UK's leading authority on Parliament and Democracy, and returning to the pod, we also have my poll home colleague, reporter, Caitlin Doherty.

0:43.3

So Kecklin, I'm going to start with you, just to quickly explain to us where we kind of are with the bill. It was bouncing around between the Commons and the Lords. It is now finally getting onto the statute book, it's going to become

0:54.2

an act of parliament. And where does that kind of leave the plan of essentially of taking people

1:00.4

who've entered the country illegally and taking them to Rwanda? Yeah. So this week really did kick

1:05.8

off with the Rwanda legislation. First thing, Monday morning, we had a press conference from Rishi Sunak in

1:12.2

Downing Street, basically, you know, encouraging the House of Lords to pass the bill,

1:16.5

emphasising, you know, in his view, the importance of it, and basically saying, we will sit

1:21.1

here all night if we need to until this bill is passed. There followed, you know, an afternoon

1:26.9

and morning of, oh my goodness,

1:28.6

are we going to be in Parliament until 2 a.m. Do we need to get the camp beds out?

1:32.6

Yeah, so Tim Lawton, Victoria MP said he bought a sleeping bag. But in the end, in the end,

1:36.7

he didn't really need it, did it? It didn't last too long. So it depends how one classifies

1:40.4

a round of ping pong in Parliament. But on Monday afternoon we then went from the Commons to the Lords,

1:45.5

the Commons, and then the Lords then passed it on that final visit to them. Now, there had been two

1:50.8

real sticking points, really, two principles that the Lords had really been really sticking to.

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